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Old 12-04-2010, 12:48 AM
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it is very HARD to get our head around FAITH

= THE SAME STYLE OF FAITH as Yashua lived under.

i do believe unless the Holy Spirit gives us His style of faith [that worlds are formed from] it is all religious pretence, hypocratic and carnal and hardly any man can stand in Yahushua's amazing and awesome faith.

this world of vanity is FAITHLESS -FAITHLESS PEOPLE IN A FAITHLESS WORLD all pretending and moulding their lives on ''vain styles''.[modernism]

Yahushua's faith did not look at the situations - seeing for HIM was never considered as believing.
OFCOURSE, HE SAW - but did not believe it. HE SAW LIES and did not believe them. He saw everything spiritually that was in harmony with His father's will AND COUNTED IT ALL AS JOY.

Jesus KNEW how to enter into His personal sabbath rest - meaning He understood, through much suffering/overcoming Himself AND of this world + how to enter into the promises and believe those promises of Him and mankind, written to Him in the OT by His Father.
He read and believed it then did it -then turned out like He did, because of it.

did you know, the darkest thing you have to overcome is YOURSELF.

did you know those scribes and pHarisees were not like HIM -yes they had a religion but none were as Yahushua - how strange is that? dont you think?

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Old 12-04-2010, 04:20 AM
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it is very very hard to stop ''seeing'' vanity and seeing spiritual

faith is a spiritual creative element.

seeing is believing is the lower standard in vanity realm.

vanity projects itself as ''I AM REAL THANK YOU VERY MUCH-look at me'' and then no one we know and trust tells us ''NO THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH but deception''.
So we have all these generations, [genes] telling us by [their traditions] that ''see it then believe it'' .
why even Thomas the disciple was a doubter.
IT IS HERIDITERY, and so flows from one generation to the next.

the VEIL, the shroud of death, needs to be broken.

here is an example.

when trials come into our lives, why should our joy happiness and peace be upset? why? ofcourse in the natural man it happens but NOT IN the elect sons. No way. why? because THEIR FAITH COMES FROM HEARING His words and these words may NOT manifest in a second but they shall as we rest in His Promises as His Heirs of Salvation.

You see No man, no matter how wise, how learned, what IQ they possess can ever correctly FIX UP their own life when some awefull trial comes - THEY FLOUNDER, THEY CANNOT COPE.

They have lost their COPING BUTTON just like they lost their LOVE BUTTON.
ITS BAND-AIDS of self help that is why they run to and fro seeking faulty advice from mere men.

Men cannot cope with trials and tests and awefull things.

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Old 12-04-2010, 01:52 PM
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the faith tests

we have to have them, for it is a part of the training up of His sons.
to overcome by the same type of Faith as Yahushua has.

it is not very nice, we get a shock and cannot think ''how can i escape from this horrible thing'' and then go to the arm of flesh for a bandaid job of ''fixits'' and trusting Father is out the window.

However, Once we BEGIN TO HEAR from Father, things begin to change and we begin TO TRUST IN HIM for everything.

but WE HAVE TO HEAR WHAT TO DO and then rest knowing all is ok. [this is our sabbath rest]

Jesus lived like this - just like you and me but HE PERFECTED THE ART OF FAITHWALKING and now it is up to us to agree and walk His way daily,.

''as we walk with Him and we talk with Him
and He tells me i am His own
and the Love we share
as we tarry there
is far greater, than ever known''.

and that song is the truth.

I look around at all men's achievements, the beautifull things they make and build. The eye candy of lovely things in this world is immense , but in spite of all these wonderfull creations and mind blowing discoveries, few KNOW HOW TO ESCAPE their death and their destruction.

What is the whole point of our existence, if it is corrupt?
look about and see corruption it is like a plague, a deadly virus.

what if this was reversed and we continually saw THIS WORLD alive in LIFE, LOVE AND JOY to which there is NO END.

we have all this eye candy world that is based of corruption.

now, what shall we do?

how can we reverse the curse?
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:28 PM
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faith comes by hearing - that is how it worked for our Saviour meaning, HE HEARD then HE DID.

THIS MEANS relationship
THIS MEANS harmony and fruitfullness
THIS MEANS oneness.

but what do we HEAR?

THIS.............................................. .....

''For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into My rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" (Heb 4:3).
His own faith INside us, MAKES US BELIEVE and then ENTER INTO HIS BELIEF called ''rest''.

why is it called REST?
''SABBATH REST'' for His new creation believer and is not a day but A REALM OF THE DIVINE. [a divine rest realm] Yahushua is LORD of the rest.

this rest is TO SERVE Man

"He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" (Mark 2:28).
"For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into My rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world" (Heb 4:3).
Father tells us HOW TO ENTER IN by Faith - exactly the same as He told Messiah. Faith CREATES THE REALM OF REST. Now do you ''see'' it?

rest can be described as

We DONT get this rest from illegally observing a jewish sabbath, [that is for the legalists, who dont have a clue] NO, we get this rest from AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP of hearing what to do and How to overcome all things in vanity so we can ESCAPE AND BE FREE FROM CORRUPTION, CALLED DEATH.

faith IN His regeneration of us [as His workmanship] shall MAKE US rest in His Presence as we WALK WITH HIM.

if you LOOK and study to be approved, we are to REST IN HIS FINISHED WORKS - not in a day of the week.

can you understand this ?

SOME of those poor deluded people who call themselves CHURCHED christians, who rush around observing A DAY [saturday] are so IGNORANT OF God's FINISHED WORK for they HAVE NOT HEARD from Father HOW TO ENTER IN to His rest.
They have made a SYMBOL[saturday] important and totally avoided the FINISHED WORK realm.

Faith cures all these massive legalistic religious problems for FAITH COMES FROM HEARING. We dont enter into a day [ the day is only the symbol] but into HIS FINISHED WORK.
These types of church sabbath observers only ever enter into ''symbols'' not FINISHED WORKS.
Ofcourse they DONT SEE IT because they HAVE NOT HEARD- BY FAITH.
So they remain faith-less and fail entry tests.

note - we are to LABOUR to enter in.
FAITH IS A LABOUR - IT DOES NOT COME NATURALLY TO US, WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR FAITH AND TO HOLD ONTO ITwhy? because THE DEVIL will make sure we doubt [like thomas ] and are full of unbelief, for its his way and on his terms and he shall do everything to make sure we continue in UNBELIEF.

WHAT DID GOD say to all those hebrews.
''the evil heart of unbelief.''

They were totally UNWILLING TO TRUST by faith the Lord.
= that is sabbath day keepers do too.
They trust in their symbol and not in THE LABOUR OF FAITH.

OH~! ITS EASY to keep a day and be self-righteous over it and so so pious but it is extremely difficult to have faith in God when an impossible situation is staring at you in the face and the devil is whispering doubts and unbelief in your earhole. That situation is a test of faith to SEE WHOM YOU SERVE

have you ever read where GOD HAS RE-STARTED BACK HIS WORKS?

WELL if not- it is strongly suggested we GET INTO HIS FINISHED WORK by faith.
that is the very best position.
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:30 AM
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Post The Father Of The Son, That is, The Man!

Hi Alive,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Messiah does assert that the Sabbath was made for the Man. Notice that the Sabbath was made. John, who does remain, states that Messiah made everything (John 1:3). So, Messiah did indeed make the Sabbath.

I desire to quote here Messiah's words concerning the Sabbath and the Man. I will do so supplying the definite articles that are contained in the Greek New Testament but not reflected in most English translations:

Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for the Man, and not the Man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of the Man is YAHWEH (KURIOS) also of the sabbath.

Notice above that Messiah claims to be YAHWEH. I say "YAHWEH" because in the Greek New Testament the word "KURIOS" is used, and in the Septuagint the Greek word "KURIOS" is used to translate the Tetragammaton. Messiah is therefore telling HIS Jewish critics, the Pharisees, that HE made the Sabbath, and they themselves do not have the authority to tell HIM how HE should keep it.

Notice above that Messiah also claims to be the Son of the Man and that the Sabbath was made for the Man. Who is this "the Man" from which Messiah claims descent?

Moses makes reference to this "the Man" right here:

Deuteronomy 8:3
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that the man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of YAHWEH doth the man live.

So, Messiah is the Son of the Man, and it is the Man that lives by every word. Messiah lived and lives by every word, and we know the result. The Man will do likewise and thus remain. I ask you right here: Did Messiah Yahushua keep the physical Sabbath Day holy? If so, should not the Father, the Man, also do likewise?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:01 PM
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was the sabbath broken by Yashua?

"Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?" (Luke 6:2).

"Jesus answered them, ‘My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.’
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" (John 5:17–18).

Edersheim writes:
"On no other subject is Rabbinic teaching more painfully minute and more manifestly incongruous to its professed object."
Edersheim charges the scribes with "terribly exaggerated views on the Sabbath" and "endless burdensome rules with which they encumbered everything connected with its sanctity" (ibid., Book II, 2.52, 2.53).
the object of the Advent is to change the death of man into ABUNDANT LIFE [john 10 v 10] -or to allow our spiritual man to mature into the Kingdom of God's ideals.

i note that NO sabbath keeping religious indoctrination of human minds has ever DEVELOPED one person in the SAME IMAGE OF CHRIST = not one person can stand up and represent Christ is Messiah did.

why is this so?
because it was never about a symbol but about LIVING IN HIS SABBATH REST.

HOWEVER if youre a sabbath keeper you need to mature your learning and break out into a true spiritual man who will manifest CHRIST into the world, rather than a faulty religious self- serving person.
The Pharisee kept the sabbath too and look what happened to them.

i shall not comment further for it is useless when the human mind rationalises its religion.
Please Just remember one thing = all those laws and servitude to them NEVER SAVED A PERSON = why?
only the Holy Spirit can teach you why this is so.

Walk away from religious Babylon it will kill you.
Every generation produces some type of new religious church advice and laws of ''we must do this and that to reach god somehow, that seems like a good idea, the guru says '' yet, none ever produce CHRIST IN ITS PEOPLE, infact consider this = if '' the christian church'' was a product on a supermarket shelf it would be sued for false advertising.

sabbath keeping and not eating a pork chop NEVER PRODUCED [by any christian church sects], A PERSON as manifested Christ.
2000yrs of failed religious attempts to reach god, by religious man prove my point.

ITS SPIRITUAL MATURITY that is needed not carnal religious babyhood.

first in the natural.

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Old 12-11-2010, 10:24 AM
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Question Why Messiah Yahushua Died?

Hi Alive,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom!

The Daughters of Zelophehad gave this testimony concerning their Father:

Numbers 27:3
3 Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against YAHWEH in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons.

Once the Testimony was given at Sinai, the men and women who had heard that Testimony and later rebelled against that Testimony, these all died in their own sin. Sin is the transgression of the Law, and indeed physical death is the result of sin.

It is true that Seventh Day Adventists, that members of the Worldwide Church of God, and that Sabbath keeping Jews all die. When they die, they also die in and for their own sin just like Zelophehad.

The beginning of the path of life for the sinner is repentance and obedience. In order to possess life, the Sabbath Keeper must be free from sin in other areas of their lives. In order to have life, the adulterer or adulteress must cease from their adultery and live in faithfulness to their spouse. If those who do keep the Sabbath Day holy eventually die, is their death due to their Sabbath keeping, or is it due to some other sin which captivates them like all those folks caught up in adultery? It is very simple, if you want to live, don't rebel against the Law. If someone dies apart from martyrdom, it is evidence that some sin controlled that individuals life.

We are all sinners, Alive. For this reason, we all have need of a Savior from our sin. If the Sabbath Breaker has a Savior, the Sabbath Breaker will eventually be moved to start keeping the Sabbath Day holy. It is the same for the pork eater. If you desire to live, change your diet. If not, the Law will eventually have its way with you. As it is written:

Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

You are aware that Messiah Yahushua broke the Sabbath, and with this I concur. Did Messiah Yahushua die because HE broke the Sabbath?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:56 PM
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i am sorry - untill you grow up spiritually there is no point

in a debate with childish man made religious ideas that HAVE PROVEN FAULTY FOR 2000 YRS despite all all all all of them claiming to '' do this, do that,'' we are the true church = it is INFANTILE nonsense.

Latuwr unfortunately you are a part of religious babylon [confusion] just like billions of others of your type.
You cannot escape from a mindset founded by religious men in their DEPRAVITY.

You huff and puff over a pork chop and being a saturday lounge potato, thinking your'e some marvellous relic of holiness, and to boot, fight with your dead mother over her stand that sabbath keeping is for the jew of the OT- at least this poor soul was correct here, howbeit, she still died by the law of sin and death - no doubt believing her sect was the truth.

Death comes not from eating a pork chop and not from keeping the sabbath [as they all die too,] but death comes FROM unrepentent human beings WHO HAVE NOT GOT THE BRAIN CHANGE TO ONLY FOLLOW Yahshua only like He asked.
Please name ONE MAN WHO WAS A SCRIBE OR A PHARISEE of the OT ilk [ both sects sabbath keepers and non pork eaters] WHO SAVED ANYONE by the law of Moses and why is this whole religious OT practice dead now and died in 70ad.

We are to RIGHTLY DIVIDE HIS WORD otherwise men make the bible say anything they wish.

I GAVE YOU 2 SCRIPTURES [2 being a witness] and you still want to argue.
YOU ARE AGRUEING with the NT. how weird is that?

can you see by even trying to argue with the NT after being shown 2 scriptures from them that youre suffering from gross religious christian deformity of mind.

Nothing you can say to me would impact as you are UNDEVELOPED spiritually and raving like all church people do because they are under a strong delusion.
I suggest you throw your prior man made church learning out, while there is still time for repentence and actually DO AS ASKED AND FOLLOW YAHUSHUA only not the christian depraved.
you have not been given the rhema revelation UNDERSTANDING of the THE NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD correctly and the NEW ORDER OF HIGH PRIEST, and the royal priesthood with its ENDLESS LIFE MANDATE to those who FOLLOW YAHSHUA.

REMEMBER IT IS ''HIS CHURCH'' not Herbert Armstong's nor Ellen Whites brand-[or other church names of simular tragic ordinances] NO, those crazy founders are dead - the sabbath keeping AND sustaining from pork eating FAILED TO KEEP these depraved ALIVE to ABUNDANT LIFE [jhn 10 v 10]

What IS so amazing is that religious people can be so stupid.

YOU SHOULD never seek life IN THE LOWER ORDER and the OT UNDER the law of Moses is a LOWER ORDER.

Please do not address your religious insanity to me again atleast till youre come to your senses and FOLLOW YAHSHUA.
the new CREATION is not the Old testiment revisited it was only a dispensation then God's hand knocked it for 6 back in 70ad and NOT ONE STONE was left upon another and Titus the roman, said '' God has deserted this people''.

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Old 12-15-2010, 07:12 AM
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Post Changing Sinners Into Saints!

Hi Everyone,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

There exist several reasons why people physically die:
  • Either for the sin of Adam
  • Or for their own sin
  • And for the sin of others, martyrdom, etc.
Messiah Yahushua did not die for HIS own sin. HE died because of your sin and my sin:

1 Corinthians 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Messiah died concerning our sins according to the scriptures;

This one verse is loaded for all those seeking the truth. All of us have sin, and all of us are dead because of our sin. Messiah came to give us life, right/wrong/maybe? Did Messiah come to give life to sinners? Absolutely not! Why would you imagine that Messiah would work to make sinners live forever in sin? Indeed, Messiah came to call sinners to life, but before sinners are given life, they must repent of their sin. So, Messiah came to change the sinner into a saint, and it is the saint that is given life through participation in the death, burial, and resurrection of Messiah Yahushua.

This belief in participation is absolutely necessary for continued life. If one does not believe that they died with Messiah on HIS Cross, then they must go on to physically die because it is appointed unto men to die for our sin.

So, Messiah has given you and me a choice. We can die with HIM, or we can go on to physically die on our own.

How does one prove that they surely have died with Messiah? They repent of their sin, don't they? If they are Sabbath breakers, they become Sabbath keepers. If they are lobster, shrimp, and pork eaters, they become eaters of clean flesh. It is very simple, sinners repent of their sin, and they become saints, and it is only saints that are given life.

Thanking in advance all that may choose to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:23 PM
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Jacob had to get his head around FAITH

and after he did - HIS NAME WAS CHANGED TO ISRAEL.

who is ISRAEL?
those who have faith of the son of God installed within them so they achieve A NAME CHANGE too.

Believers become changed by following the righeous steps of our Saviour.

the Holy Spirit DRAWS us, so we become HIS WORKMANSHIP and because we ''see'' our character changing and walking in DIVINE VICTORY we KNOW we walk in the POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION and LIFE.
We dont draw ourselves - that is religious carp TO GET YOU TO JOIN religious babylon.
THE BIBLE IS CLEAR = HE DRAWS MEN and then and only then they become His workmanship that is why THEY SUCCEED into His kingdom.


John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
did you see this?
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:31 AM
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Post Entering Into Rest!

Hi Everyone,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Messiah Yahushua died in order to give mankind the gift of death in HIM! This death can only be apprehended by a faith which first says:

I have died with Messiah according to the love with which HE loved me, that is, according to the fulfillment of the Law.

Love fulfills Law:

Romans 13:10
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is fulfilling of law.

We are given right here a very solid definition of love. There exists two ways in which the Law can be fulfilled:
  • Through physically keeping the Law
  • Through spiritually keeping the Law
Make no mistake. Keeping the physical Sabbath Day holy is love. Not eating pork is love. Messiah Yahushua made the Sabbath Day, and Messiah Yahushua as the Word gave the Sabbath commandment. It is very simple. If you love HIM, then keep HIS commandments.

Paul teaches this concerning the Sabbath Days, Holy Days, the New Moon. and also concerning eating and drinking:

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the BODY of the Messiah.

The above physical observances and practices are themselves shadows of things that were yet coming at the time that Paul wrote concerning them. They taught concerning the future at the time of Paul, and they teach concerning the future yet today.

Now, obviously, I am not the Body of the Messiah, and, therefore, I have not the place to judge anyone concerning how these shadows are to be kept. Such things are determined by the Body of Messiah. However, I am of the Body of Messiah, and I can rightly say that love of Messiah should lead us to fulfill these shadows in a physical sense so that we might more easily learn about their spiritual fulfillment. I can also choose to follow the good advice of Paul and not allow anyone save for the Body of Messiah to judge me in the keeping of the Sabbath Day and also in following the food laws. This I have consistently done in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

I physically rest each week on the Sabbath Day from my physical work. This physical ceasing from my work or labor is a shadow of a coming spiritual rest that is still in the process of coming at the time that I am now writing. It is elsewhere stated concerning this rest:

Deuteronomy 12:10
10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which YAHWEH your ELOHIM giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;

Do you have need of rest from your enemies? Do you dwell in safety?

Thanking all in advance that may choose to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:51 AM
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Thumbs up The Footstool!

Hi Everyone,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

My Mother died last January. Shortly before her death, while living in a rehabilitation facility, she told me that she desired either to come home (to my house) or to go home to Jesus. She did return to my house, and she died the next day.

You see, my Mother viewed death as a portal to Jesus, and, therefore, somewhat of a friend. I did not dispute her words about going home to Jesus with her the last few years of her life, but I would often mention to her and to my Father about the possibility of living and not dying. I desired that they both live and not die.

You see, I view death as an enemy. It is an enemy that must be destroyed. How is death to be destroyed? Think about it! To be sure, death is overcome through the resurrection. Messiah Yahushua overcame death through HIS Resurrection, but HIS overcoming does not destroy death. Death still exists for the vast, vast majority of mankind. So, how is death to be destroyed?

The Resurrected Messiah Yahushua does now sit at the right hand of the Father according to this scripture:

Psalms 110:1
1 A Psalm of David. YAHWEH said unto my ADON, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

How on Earth does Our Heavenly Father begin to make death a footstool under the feet of Messiah Yahushua?

Allow me to give you a hint! Have you ever placed your feet upon a footstool? Our feet are symbolic for our walk in life. Is your walk of such a nature that the feet of Messiah Yahushua are at rest?

Thanking in advance all that may choose to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:39 PM
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church people have no idea how the live life abundant

that Jesus brought to light in many of His sayings inc. John 10 v 10= the most expressive because it DENOTES A CHANGE OF a cycle few ever escaped from, the circle of death handed down the line from one generation to another, death ruled.

It is rather interesting to discover in the book of Enoch,[somewhere i read it] that a whole city of men, actually were taught by Enoch and survived just like he did and BECAME ''WAS NOTS'' too.
It is amazing what a MIND CHANGE can do, however UNLESS FATHER calls a person to be willing to change into His immortal nature death happens.
It seems only a few make it past the grave. It is a re-gene-rated process in a believer. While i do not agree with your OT law keeping at all, I do believe your on the right track regarding LIFE IMMORTAL, the quickening, in here and now.
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