Introduction.

[Thummim]

Seeing Hashem {the name of praise} in the texts.

Thus they shal link My name with the people of Israel, and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27 JPS

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...Hyssop, What is a linkable name? How do you make the link to bless the people? There is an obvious link. I do not present only a few verses to make this link. Even the heavens testify of the connection.

O YHWH adonai, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. {That's why the sun is corrupt!}

2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings {who can only "Praise" GD} hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. Ps. 8: 1, 2

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2 But unto you {that fear my name} shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {released from it} Mal. 4: 2

9 And the YHWH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH, and his name one. Zech. 14: 9

--> One YaHudaH and not two!

...The king sits down in the name of YaHudaH alone. If YHWH becomes YaHudaH, then every pot in Jerusalem and YaHudaH will indeed be Holy.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the YHWH of hosts. Zech. 14: 21


11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

...Learn to read this collection of writings and to see Hashem in them.

....Michael

[simchat_torah]

Thummim,

Though the YHVH letters do appear in the name Yehudah, this does not mean that G-d's name is Yehudah. HaShem is revealed in many forms. However, I believe you are placing the horse before the cart in a most classic example.

You stated:
"Yah is not YHWH! The author removed the fourth letter from the name of YaHudaH and called what was left, Hashem. Even a child can see that. When a man decided on what the name of his GD would be, he decided to circumcise the name of YaHudaH. He decided that the holy name couldn't be uncircumcised. He removed the fourth letter from the fourth possiston of Hashem, from the fourth son of Jacob, fourth generation from Abraham."

This is deriving the name of G-d is Yehudah... Because the name of G-d appears IN Yehudah. You would not have come to this conclusion had not the true name of HaShem been revealed. Stating that G-d's full uncircumcised name is Yehudah simply is founded on your imagination, and not on any scripture, let alone any form of Jewish theology I've encountered (not that this would make it true anyway). Not one verse, nor a linking of multiple verses has stated that HaShem's name is Yehudah. The verses you have presented do indeed declare that HaShem will work in his people Yisra'el and will be declared among the nations through them, but no where... again, no where does it state even once, even in a mystical form, that HaShem's name is Yehudah.

I can find YHVH hidden in many Hebrew names, places, ect.... (even in the name Joshua, which is linked to Y'shua, found in one of the verses of Psalms is purposefully mispelled to contain YHVH.... yet HaShem's name is not Joshua).

Thank you for showing us that HaShem can be revealed in many forms. Yet please don't try to build an argument in the wind against a straw man, for it will blow away.

Shalom,
Japheth.

[Thummim]

The name of YHWH defend thee {ps. 20: 1 --> Ps. 124: 7,8}

5 But unto the place which YHWH Elohenu shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut. 12: 5

Does this verse of text represent a choice by YHWH to "put" his name in one tribe of Israel? We can chase down the choice that is made.

67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:

68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Ps. 78: 67, 68

...It is apparent that a choice was made. We have support here, of my conclusions. {He chose Yahudah *YHVDH*, and his name is *YHVH*. We begin to build a foundation for the name of GD being YHWH, drawn from a tribe of the twelve tribes of Israel. But we need much more evidence. If YaHudaH is the Holy name, then we must find its holiness somewhere. I use the book of Zechariah here. The final verse of text from Zech 14 when read through the intent of there only being "one name" {Zech. 14: 9 of the same chapter of text}, we can see that the name of YaHudaH is now treated like the name of YHWH.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO YHWH; and the pots in YHWH'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHWH of hosts. Zech. 14: 21

...Holiness to YHWH is equal to holiness to YaHudaH.

...This goes with what Jeremiah writes.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jer. 23: 6

...Same idea. We can see that the throne of YaHudaH comes in righteousness, and is the righteousness of the people.

This we can visit in the writings of Isaiah.

17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of YHWH, and their righteousness is of me, saith YHWH. Isa. 54: 17

...Is the righteousness of YHWH, {his name}?

...and again in Isaiah we find these words.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the "Nations of Israel" seek: and his rest shall be glorious. Isa. 11: 10

...Who is the root of Jesse, Davids father? Isn't it YaHudaH, one of twelve roots?

...But it is in the name of YHWH that the banner is raised.

5 We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: YHWH fulfil all thy petitions. Ps. 20: 5

...Is the root of Jesse also the name of YHWH in which the banners of Israel fly?

...You have a holy people {YaHudaH} using the holy vessels of the priests. YaHudaH is named separately from Jerusalem, covering all this tribe with the righteousness of the priests. This is Zechariah's vision of this people. All of them {YaHudaH} as righteous as the priests who serve the name of YHWH. {perhaps because YHWH, "Hashem" is their inheritance} We must also ask ourselves, "Why did the author of the creation corrupt the fourth day by planting the earth on the third day?" Wasn't this deliberate and for a reason? A choice was made here as well. Redundance is seen in the first division of light from the darkness. {Gen. 1: 3} which is repeated in verse 18. What is on the authors mind here?

12 So teach us to number {count} our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Ps. 90: 12 {the Psalm of Moses}

...And if we search this out, we find that this arrangement is corrupt. Deut. 33: 14 says that it is the sun which brings forth the fruit? If these are the words of Moses, than Moses is up to something.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ps. 22: 22

...I declare that the name of YHWH means "Praise YaH"

35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise YHWH: therefore she called his name Judah {YaHudaH} ; and left bearing. Gen. 29: 35

...YaHudaH means "Praise YaH"
...YHWH {praise YaH} = YaHudaH {praise YaH}

10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Ps. 48: 10

...Perhaps YHWH is father to the throne of Israel {YaHudaH} because the father {YHWH} has the same name as the son.

...I strongly believe that this name {YHWH} is the name of YaHudaH having the fourth letter removed from it. I believe that the wife, son and father share a name which means "Praise YaH". YHWH breaths his name into his image {his people} through the name of YaHudaH. He is the life of his people because his name is eternal. They live because he lives. They live because they bear his name.

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. II Chr. 7: 14

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10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of YHWH; and they shall be afraid of thee. Deut. 28: 10

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6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. Isa. 43: 6, 7

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9 Why shouldest thou be as a man astonied, as a mighty man that cannot save? yet thou, O YHWH, art in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name; leave us not. Jer. 14: 9

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5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of YHWH Elohenu for ever and ever.

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20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Ps. 44: 20

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...If the JEWish people have forgotten the name of their Eloheem, the problem cannot be corrected through denial. I present a case that could explain how a righteous people could be caught without the strength to turn back the assault against their name.

...Perhaps I have explained myself better, and you could consider the possibility that the JEWish people left Babylon without knowledge of the name of their GD.

63 And the Tirshatha {Governer} said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim. Ezra 2: 63, Neh. 7: 65.

...The hebrew word "thummim" comes from the hebrew word "tome", meaning to "complete", but is its plural --> "it completes". Perhaps this suggests that the name of YHWH is served by "linking" it to GD's people through the tribe of Israel that owns the throne. {YaHudaH}

8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Gen. 49: 8

...A garment of "praise" is also a garment of salvation to those who bear the name of YHWH. I await the glory of GD's name rising upon his people.

The unrighteous sun which testifies to the glory of GD's name; {remove the fourth day/letter}

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but YHWH shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God {his name?} thy glory.

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.


21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. Isa. 60: 19 - 21

....Michael

[Malachiah]

Simchat_torah/Japheth

Peace.

i seek the Truth in you.

You confess "I was born with Jewish blood ".
As you can see from my writing with Michael and from the thread called "the Jew" , where you have posted, the blood is important to me and to the God I serve. Michael had led me to believe that he is Jewish. But eventually he reveals there is no blood in him as a Jew and confesses that Jews are not a blood people. The matter of blood stands between this man who writes to you and Michael. Now you enter and confess the blood. In recognition of the blood that has come down from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, I come seeking in you. Of course this takes a degree of trust, for you can say anything on the internet and who can see if it is true or not? I believe that there is no truth between men apart from a relationship with one another. The internet hinders this, though it makes contact easier, because it can hide the things that friends who are in the same God must share on earth. So I pursue one or two of those things in you through this narrow way, where the Word appears between us. You say you were born of Jewish blood. How much Jewish blood? Mother only? Father only? or some Jewish blood further back than that? Or were both of your parents of Jewish blood? Thank you for the Spirit of Truth in the answer for herein I can know your God in greater Truth.
My second question is regarding your name. The blood is all important, but it is the Name that designs our portions in the Father. Were you born as Japheth? Have you just taken this name for use in the internet? Either way I will see you according to the portion of faith laid up in this name. It is a good and solid stone. It is a place to stand in faith before Abraham was....before there was a Jew. It means...."increase". Japheth is enlargement. Japheth is a solid stone of faith placed in the rest (Noah) to serve the sons of Abraham in these days we now walk in.

Thank you for your responses to both of these questions for I seek only your blessing. My introduction is spread thoughout the threads you have posted under or near. In it is found my city and state and other things of importance in regards to being a man on earth.

Malachiah James

[simchat_torah]

Shalom Malachiah James,

I enjoyed your brutal honesty and nakendness. It is refreshing.

My grandfather on my mother's side is Jewish. His parents escaped from Poland during WWII, to America. Yet, they found persecution here in America as well, and externally converted to christianity to disguise themselves to avoid American antisemitism. My grandfather then grew up in a very confused Jewish/Christian home, and he chose christianity, becoming a pastor.
My grandfather on my father's side is of Jewish descent as well, however, his parents, and many generations before him, became christians. Yet, the "Dillman" family is a Jewish family from Austria.

Yet, I was not raised in a Jewish home. No, I was raised in a christian home for a time, and then in a secular home for the second half of my childhood. I found out about my "jewish" blood post-fact. It wasn't until I was about 16 when I discovered this. Yet, by that time, I was highly involved in the occult. However, I thought that this "jewish" blood was 'cool' and I researched it out to an extent. But it was merely for fascination of ancestral discovery, not for the love of HaShem.

Then I realized the demonic strongholds HaSatan held on my life through the occult, and sought help from the only spirituality I had known... christianity. I was delieverd of many demons, literally.

That was 8 years ago. Immediatley after this happened I again discovered pagan ties in christianity. Having despised so much the demonic influences that once held me bound, I ran from it, but never left faith in the messiah... but ran towards my heritage... Judaism. I have gone through a semi-unformal conversion with a group of reform Jews about 2 years ago, though they feel it is unnecessary since I was born with Jewish blood. I feel a longing for a more formal process to occur since I never had the heritage or covenant established in my life previously. I long for a formal covenant to be made...

Now, after approxiametely 6 years of being immersed in Judaism, I feel that I have a stronger grasp on who and what the messiah truly was/is.

I can give more details about all of this if you desire, but that's the plain open truth.

There, I am now naked too...

Shalom,
Japheth.

p.s. oh, I nearly forgot, I was born with the name Japheth Aaron Dillman. That is not a conversion name or nickname, but my real name. I at times refer to myself as Yafet, the hebrew pronounciation.

[Malachiah]

Shalom Japheth Aaron. I am honored to meet you and break the bread of the mystery together. I send my peace from Portland to you in Champaign. My wife was born and raised in Southern Ill.

"I enjoyed your brutal honesty and nakendness. It is refreshing. "

It is my joy that my writing brings joy to you. "brutal" is an interesting term. Brutal honesty. I pray that all my brutality fall upon the spiritual enemies of the son of man and of Israel. May Truth overthrow the lie and the father of it. And nakedness is also a very interesting Word. If I be naked before you and it is refreshing to you then it must be that I am clothed in you and your God. With the water of Word I wash my garment. Bless you in the nakedness wherein there is no shame and the way to the tree of life is again in hand.

Again I dip my finger into the blood of the Jew I find in you from your grandfather on fathers side and grandfather on mothers side. I write a little mystery revealed by the Covenant God to the man that stands in Him on earth as in heaven. When a man and woman come together in covenant knowledge in flesh a transfer takes place between two houses. A man is a branch. His father's line from father to son to sons son, etc. is the branch. At the point of marriage a female comes from another branch. She brings an angelic being from the other fathers line. That of course adds something to the branch. The female in the marriage brings an angel like a great bird to lodge in the branch of another father's tree. Your grandfather in your branch was Jewish and took a gentile wife. This means an angel of the gentiles joined the branch of the Jew at his marriage to your grandmother. This does not change the branch though...it is Jewish! Ponder Jacob who took gentile wives(Syria). Ponder Joseph and Moses who took gentile wives(Egypt and Ethiopia). Still their sons are Israel. Ponder further King David. His wife was A Hittite. Solomons mother was thus a gentile. Solomon is a Jew and king on the throne of his father David. Branch! Your grandfather was Jewish and thus so is your father and all his sons! So I bless you in this heritage.

Great are the names you wear. They are treasure for this day of redemtion which now unfolds in the hands of faith. I joy to write upon these names as living stones. And In so doing I wash my garment of Name!

"Now, after approxiametely 6 years of being immersed in Judaism, I feel that I have a stronger grasp on who and what the messiah truly was/is. " May the seventh year be a great rest and release to you in understanding of the covenant ground through the mystery of the sevening of the oath through which Messiah calls His by name.

Blessed be Yafit. And Your nakedness be clothed in me also for truly I am clothed in the name given to you for this purpose.

Malachiah James

[Malachiah]

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[Thummim]

Perpetuating racism.

Malachiah,

...Abraham comes from Ur of the Chal'dees. That is Messopotamia. He looks like a Babylonian. All of his linage comes from this land. Are the Messopotamians a race of people's? When Abraham arrives in Canaan, he is carrying the seed of Messopotamia in his genes. I am assuming that he has the appearance of the average Arab upon him when he first arrives in Canaan. He will mix his genes with the people of the land of Canaan through Shelah, the seed of a Canaanite mother. {Gen. chapter 38} Judah further fathers seed through Tamar {his daughter in law}, which is added to the seed of Shelah, furthering the beginnings of this JEWish diversity {Shelah is still a part of the JEWish people, though having a Canaanite mother, and they are the potters {I Chr. 4: 21 - 23} in the house of Judah.} I assume that his seed has an Arab look about them. Moses first wife is a Midianite. His second is an Ethiopian woman {Nu. 12: 1} So now we have dark skin levites with an Arab look in the house of Israel? There are many other turns in the line of Judah which leave David having red skin. Ruth is a daughter of Moab who was fathered through the incestuous relationship that lot has with his own daughters (*same genes as Abraham*) Perhaps Davids red skin came from here. {ruddy skin --> I Sam. 16: 12} The tribes of Benjamin were cut off by oath from the tribes of Israel, so as to have need for wives of strangers, to keep Benjamin a people.

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1 Now the men of Israel had sworn in Mizpeh, saying, There shall not any of us give his daughter unto Benjamin to wife.

2 And the people came to the house of God, and abode there till even before God, and lifted up their voices, and wept sore;

3 And said, O YHWH Elohenu of Israel, why is this come to pass in Israel, that there should be to day one tribe lacking in Israel? Jud. 21: 1 - 3

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...We have a further account of a willingness to marry women who were not of Israel in Malachi.

11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of YHWH which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

12 YHWH will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto YHWH of hosts.

...The sin here isn't intermarriage. It is marrying the daughter of one who worships different gods than does Judah. When a women agrees to worship the same Eloheem as Israel does, {she always does} she becomes exceptable as a wife. Frankly, Judah hasn't cared whose daughter he married for a very long long time either, so long as he loved her. {he always does}

...Do you see the seed of Israel beginning to mix genes? What I have to ask you, is how do an Arab people end up looking mostly eastern Europian? These are the genes that most of the JEWish people from Slovakia and Poland, passed through their brit. These represent a major part of those who died in the death camps of the nazi's. Now Malachiah, are you ready to curse this people because theit genes are inferior? {Hitlers faith} Malachiah, you maybe a racist! It is not that you intend to be racist, but you refuse to learn the truth. The JEWs are not a race of people, though christianity still promotes this evil faith. The JEWish people take on the looks of the people that they live nearest to. Simchat_torah knows this {I strongly assume} but isn't telling you what he knows. Ones genes have nothing to do with "who is JEWish?" You need to attend a large gathering of JEWish people and open your eyes up. The JEWs literally look like the worlds people. {They/we} are separated from the worlds people by name and traditions. My genes are as JEWish as any other persons genes are. For that matter, so are yours! Please call a rabbi and ask for confirmation of this. Ignorance leaves you a racist. We JEWs are trying to distroy this myth that is used against us, often used in calling us inferior to other "races". You think that because your racial leanings are calling us JEWs "a superior race", that you are not a part of the problem. Can you love us as much when our genes come from between your own legs? That could be a real possibility if you found Judiasm {the faith of most JEWish people} superior to any other faith you could desire. Can one really be JEWish because of their genes? One can be born of JEWish parents, but it is this {family} occurance, and not ones genes that make them JEWish. A person also can be adopted by JEWish parents and enter a family. Simchat_torah was born into a JEWish family, but his genes are no more JEWish than anybody else's genes are. Yes he's JEWish, but not because of his genes. He has a JEWish family, but his faith is not JEWish. Only a very small amount of genes that can be traced to the JEWish people, have been found and mapped. As I have told you, the largest concentration of these genes {that of Cohen'im} have been traced to an black African tribe. There are also a few genetic abnomalities like the genes that lead to {ta sachs disease}. You need to rethink your faith. What does the wearing of yellow stars tell you about being able to discern who is JEWish, by looking at a person? If the German authorities could have known who was JEWish by looking at them, there wouldn't have been a need to wear these yellow markers upon the people that racism was about to kill.

....Michael

[Yochanan7]

Greetings all,

As I explored my way through these posts, my heart wandered to Genesis 10:5 ......"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; after their families, in their nations. "

And I pick up on a particular aspect of a previous post.... concerning Israel, and there being, of necessity, a blood tie that unites them as a people.

Going on in Genesis.... I found... 12:2-3 "...And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed."

The same promise was also given to Jacob in 28:14 "...and in you and in your seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed."

Note that those promises did not go to Sarah, or to Rachel and Leah or the handmaids, but to Abraham, and to his seed.

And, in a very real sense, I see that God was :

1: creating a new nation, a new race, when he separated Abram out from among all the nations.

2: ....and placing him (Abram/Abraham)in their (the nations) midst that they might self-pronounce their own judgement in how they dealt with God's choice. If they cursed him or his seed, they are cursed. If they bless him or his seed, they are blessed. Their dealing with God's choosing is how they deal with Him, even as in the wilderness...("..How is it you were not afraid to condemn my servant Moses...")

3: Stating the promises were specifically directed...."to your seed..." (not Sarah's seed...Not Rachel's seed...not Bathsheba's seed.....but through Abraham's seed) Sometimes a little repitition helps.

In this I see that there is indeed a choosing out, a separating by God, of a particular race, a people of the seed of Abraham.... a people who are blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel... . To this I say Amen!! Truly, it is a matter of race. That race is Israel! Blessed be they who are descended of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Israel according to flesh. Truly, though I am not of this race according to flesh, I do bow heart in hand and lift them up as God's firstborn... (Exodus 4:22). My flesh fathers were not included in such a choosing. I, however, see holy opportunity to come under the covering of that blessing!! Blessed be Abraham, and his seed! May they be greatly blessed in Isaac, and in Jacob Israel.

The charge of " racist" has been raised in this particular thread. I see that well before this thread was started, a particular race was indeed formed in Abraham. No amount of lingual wrangling can change this fact. Choose you this day that portion which is yours! May you indeed be richly blessed therein!

Yochanan7

[Thummim]

Mixing races?

Yochanan writes;

Truly, it is a matter of race. That race is Israel!

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...Your idea of what a race of people are is very separate from mine. Abraham comes from the land of Babylon {Hams seed fills the people of Shinar and Abrahams seed dwells with these} and he than moves to Israel {Canaan's seed} and very well mixes his genes with all those around him through his decendants. An Arab looking people {as Abraham looked} ends up looking like Europians and Africans. Now what race is Israel?

....Michael

[Yochanan7]

Interesting......

Michael writes"
"Now what race is Israel?"

Israel is the CHOSEN race! This is a marvel to behold!!

Ezekiel 20:5 "And say unto them, 'Thus saith Yahweh Elohim; In the day when I CHOSE (caps mine) Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying I am thy Yahweh Elohim...'"

1 Chronicles 16:13 "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob his CHOSEN ones...."

To the gentile wearing the garment of Michael I write: Your post seems to imply diffusion of Israel's seed as a norm.... is that the portion you choose? Didn't Balaam have to answer to such a supposition?

To the angel Michael who stands in the gate I write: Blessing and peace be yours in standing up for Israel. Surely the holy angels have waited to see the word branching in the hand of the son of man. With you I watch and take note, as men spread forth the true contents of their heart. May the men be saved and every lieing spirit cast out.

No doubt, Joseph's brothers initially did not recognize him....isn't that interesting.....and in the same generation!

There is more going on here than meets the eye!!!

Yochanan7

P.S. Michael, I've not seen any pictures of Abraham. Could you please share those in your possession?

[simchat_torah]

I had every intention to reply to Michael, yet I was restrained in my heart. Thankyou for your posts Yochanan.

Michael,

All are descended of Noah.
Yet there are many races, are there not???

All are descended from Adam and Eve, right? Yet, we are comprised of various races.

So what if Aveinu Abraham was descended from Babylon? He was seperated and his descendants became a unique race, as is EXPLICITLY stated in the Torah. This is no different than the many races that came from Noah, or Adam and Even. Israel is a race that came from Abraham! If you deny this, then you deny HaShem, no... you Deny the Torah itself and call it a liar!!!

What is your point?

Are you hurt because you are not a part of the bloodline of Yisra'el? Do you feel slighted?

You sholuld not!

I believe, just as the many believing gentiles here, that there is a very special place and calling for those who are gentile that believe and join themselves to Israel!!! There was even a place in the temple set aside for those who were gentiles and yet feared Elohim.

This is a great vision that needs emphasis today! There is a great calling on the gentile people, do not be afraid to accept this calling. When people loose sight of this vision, they state such things as you do.

No, you have done worse than reject the calling that G-d has placed on the gentiles, you have rejected Israel, denied the Torah, and called G-d himself a liar.


Michael, you need to first catch your vision. You do have a SPECIAL calling as a gentile. I believe fully that these gentiles here feel that calling in their spirts, and that is why they have joined themselves to Yisra'el and declared one faith under the Torah and HaShem. That is why this website exists. Malachiah, Yochanan7, Hyssop, and Valid Name among others here have seen that vision. They have seen that HaShem has a place for them, and they have come to that place.

Michael, you can not create your own place. You must find where G-d has predestined you to be. As well, you can not destroy what G-d has created, the Jewish people as a race. For those who do not bless Israel will be cursed. Those who do bless Israel are blessed!

Do you want cursings or blessings?
-Japheth.

[Thummim]

A curse for a curse is just! I'm of all the JEWs who rejected "Jesus".

simchat_torah writes;

So what if Aveinu Abraham was descended from Babylon?

...I didn't mean to say that Abraham was decended from Babylon. He came from Ur of the Chaldees. He is decended from the line of Shem which means "the name". He in all likelyhood carries the appearance of those decended of this area. My point is that one does not end up looking European {or anglo} if there is not some mingling going on. Race is a matter of genes. But the invite to strangers living among the JEWish people {II Chr. 6: 32} is a permission to intermarry. {so long as they do not worship different Eloheem} That means that genes are not important. This brings me back to my original point. The JEWish people are not a race of people as Hitler thought. Antisemites maintain this idea about JEWs. But you can see that these people {the antisemites} would accuse their own seed by the name of "JEW". Obviously many people here believe that race doesn't refer to genes. {bloodline} But it very much does. YHWH didn't create a race of people. He created a name for his own people. That is what the line of Shem {the name} is all about. Through the work of Moses, through the name of YHWH, GD writes a marriage document {Kethubah} for his people {Ex. 34: 5, 6 --> Ex. 3: 15}. He espouses them to himself as wife and children. He puts his name in one tribe as it is written in Deut. 12: 5. That is where the simularity between the name of YHWH and the name of YaHudaH, comes from. In the name of YaHudaH, all of Davids seed are called the sons of YHWH. {In Zech. 14: 21, all YaHudaH becomes as holy as YHWH and drink from holy vessels}

...How have I called YHWH a liar? Are you incensed because YHWH has a family of his own which he holds in brit and name with himself? Christians for a long time have rejected the JEWish people from their own NT created salvation. Saying that JEWs are not saved as these verses of John strongly imply, is not unlike what you are feeling now that you begin to see how JEWish the tanakh really is.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3: 18

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14: 6

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15: 6

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18: 36

...It is christianities faith that burns JEWs in its ovens, merely because {they/we} will not acknowledge "Jesus" as our messiah. That is what it says in the NT. Have you circled the term {the JEWs} as it occurs in the book of John, to see who the deciever of the world really is? From Judah, we get the term JEW. But YahudaH {Judah} is the tribe that bears the name of GD as represented by the letters of {YHWH}. Christianity seems to have fallen into the pit that it dug for the JEWish people!

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11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4: 12

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...The rejected stone is the rock of David {Ex. 28: 21} whose name is YHWH. It is the stone of the tribe of YaHudaH. There is no bloodline of Israel. There is however a very great name to point its finger at its enemies. Now who has cursed the name of YHWH?

....Michael

[simchat_torah]

Michael,

Please note my previous comments concerning the Brit Chadasha (or nt).

"That means that genes are not important."

That is where you are quite wrong my friend. Though it is true that one may attach themselves to Yisra'el, those of the bloodline are not replaced.

No where in the Tenach will you find that.

shalom,
Japheth.

[simchat_torah]

Israel did stray from Elohim many times. Yet the people as a race still remained precious to G-d, and still remained the race of the Jews. Because of unbelief one does not un-inherit their jewishness.

Though they were unfaithful, forgot G-d, and went their own ways, HaShem still saw them as the Jewish people racially, and this is spoken of many times over.

Conclusion?

Genes do matter.

However, as I clearly pointed out, one can join themselves to Yisra'el and become part of the camp.

Shalom,
Japheth.