is the God unjust?

[akbar]

Is the God unjust?

Many religions or let me say all religions believe that there is a God. Some religions believe that there are also gods beside the God but we are not concerned with such gods but with the God only. Almost all religions believe that the God is absolutely just and that humans with all their good intentions can slip or mistake justice while the God being the Almighty does complete justice in absolute sense. There are some questions in my mind (which somebody asked me) or perhaps may be in yours challenging this justness of the God. Please co-operate and join hands to give suitable answers so that faith in the God does not shatter or weaken. I am not a learned scholar or a philosopher so I need your help. Please provide help in the name of God.

Somebody said (God forbid) that the God is cruel. He allows fraction of his (so called) choice to conquer, suppress and even kill their opponents. He is much happy if such a fraction is successful but if others harm that fraction or even intend to do so He is much annoyed. Is this not cruelty that He does not bother about humans not belonging to his so called special group?

Somebody said (God forbid) that the God is class conscience and He feels happy when nobles or wealthy arrange special majestic and even big ceremonies in his honor. Upper class can pray in a befitting manner while poor cannot and poor localities even have unbefitting places of worship. Is this not class consciousness?

Somebody said (God forbid) that the God accepts bribery. Wealthy person gives alms in God's name. Wealth is also required to perform pilgrimages and for some other religious bindings. Wealth is also required to please renowned religious clergies and then they pray for God's blessings and some powerful influential persons make some clergies pray for them in most holy places declared by the God while poor remain deprived. Does the God accept bribery?

Somebody said (God forbid) that the God is unjust in providing luxuries of life to some people and others remain suffering. Resources are necessary in every field of life and poor die for want of medicine, shelter, food etc. How they can pray the God sincerely feeling agitations in their hearts and not being satisfied?

Somebody said and this time he seemed much confident (God forbid) that the God is surely unjust for blessing some people with his true religion and kept depriving others for no fault of their own as they even didn’t heard of that. How natives of new found lands or people who lived before advent of that blessed religion can be blamed for not believing? Nearly a century or two ago more than half of population of this globe was not aware of proclaimed best religions and even among these religions only one is said to be true. Can any ordinary person living constantly in a huge community with out any traveling opportunities to other regions think about any change over to other if his/her is not a blessed one? Is the God ignoring merit and equality for allowing only his so called preferred group to enter heaven? Will only that group be blessed as a whole and others will be damned as a whole? Is this not injustice?

Please join hands to answer these questions. I believe that these are totally unjust charges against the God and that somebody was a devil’s disciple. Please be serious and sincere because if such charges are not successfully and undoubtedly refuted there will be no room for any religion. Please think if the God is unjust how any religion can be justified. I think such suspicions were the main cause for spread of communism which brought suppression and I think most people are indifferent towards religions especially in modern world although apparently they seem to have one. I appeal to you for help disregard of your religious attachments.

[akbar]

To the God

Oh, the God let me know to what community you belong.
And what community you prefer to be called as of yours?

To what religion you have given the authority to be true,
And allowed to call all others heathens and damned?

With what rituals and ceremonies you like to be pleased,
And to avoid your wrath what must not be performed?

On your land where I have to pray and where not,
In what shape of temples or what type of mosques?

What types of prayer leaders I have to follow,
Many claim that only they are aware of right path?

Do you prefer a group of humans over all the rest?
And their ways or kind of worship you hold the best?

Are you God of divisions and not the God of all humans?
Not the God of universe but God of pilgrimage lands?

[Thummim]

Which GD?

...akbar,
...Suppose that GD had a Name. Suppose that this Name lost its place in the heavens. Suppose by chance, that the Name that goes with GD's existance slipped the mind of all the world's people and that no memory of it remained. Would GD still act in our world as does a GD with a name? Wouldn't a kind of darkness fill our own world? Can a GD without a name challenge the territory of the gods that have honor in the heavens? How would a GD without a Name in memory, challenge the god's that had names to honor them by?

1 YHWH hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;

2 Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion; Ps. 20: 1


1 Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength.

2 Hear my prayer, O God; give ear to the words of my mouth. Ps. 54:1


7 Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped.

8 Our help is in the name of YHWH, who made heaven and earth. Ps. 124: 7,8


...Now does a GD who delivers his people through the strength of his name, do so when his name has slipped from the memory of his people? Can such a GD be held accountable for his place in this world, if his name is no longer in memory? Wouldn't we ourselves, be accountable for the ills that take place in this world? And what would come with the recollection of the Name of our Eloheem, when it returned to honor among the named heavenlies? Would justice visit us in the form of the day of YHWH {the LORD}? Would YHWH then require us all to answer for the mistreatment of his name? And if his Name were really YaHudaH, a family name, {Husband to wife, father to children, sharing a Name}, would we have to answer for the mistreatment of the name of YaHudaH? {Judah} Why does the day of the LORD really come upon the world?

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

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14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of YHWH {the LORD} is near in the valley of decision.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. Joel 3: 2, 14

...An Eloheem who is worshipped through the honor of his Name, would not have to answer for the mistreatment of his people, but would we ourselves escape the return of his Name, for such a crime against his Name?

Assuredly, My people shall learn My name
Assuredly [they shall learn] on that day
That I, the One who promised
Am now at hand. Isa. 52: 6

....Michael

[akbar]

Dear Thummim,


I am much thankful to you as that was the very first response I received. Please let me know how I could have been aware of the name of YHWH, had I not visited this site? How people who had/have never heard about any particular name/religion could/can be held responsible for not calling/believing? I think this needs justification.
I am again thankful to you for your response.

Blessings,
Akbar.

[Thummim]

In Name!

...Akbar,

...Thankyou for allowing yourself to see that GD does indeed have a Name to help us all understand his ways. May you realize that the Name of "praise" is a lamp to make the understanding of the tanakh, easier for all its readers.


10 For YHWH hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

13 Wherefore the Lord {adonai} said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Isa. 29: 10 - 14


6 Therefore my people shall "know" {"Learn," TNK} my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isa. 52: 6

...YHWH presence comes with his Name.


....Michael

[akbar]

dear thummim,

I believe that there are good humans all over world apparently having different religions but actually same. A meeting can be called to name their religion. If I am allowed entry names of existing religions can also be considered but these are so hostile to each other and here lies the problem

[Thummim]

A family Name?

...Can an Eloheem have his own family, and a name to go with it?

12 And YHWH shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. Zech. 2: 12

...This goes with the idea that all the vessels that "YaHudaH" use will be as holy as the vessels that the priests use, infering a people who bear the Name of YHWH.

Zech. 14: 21

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite {--> Gen. 24: 3 ;28: 1 ;38: 2; 38: 9 "read in order"} in the house of YHWH of hosts.

...Why must the Eloheem of the JEWish people, build a house large enough to house all the worlds people in his Name? While I do not contest that YHWH is the Eloheem of all the world, he can still have his own family Name. Remember that the world rejected his Name when it refused to deliver his people. Country after country gave up its JEWish populations to their slaughterers. Even America shut its doors. So how does the worlds population gain a place in the Name that they refused to defend?

....Michael

[akbar]

Dear thummim,

I do know that Jews were very badly persecuted by Christians, Muslims, communists and Nazis. I am against all sorts of suppressions and cruelties. If you do not mind I think Jews also had been suppressive in a period of history though it was a short period.

I believe that a true believer of the God must have a human perception unbiased by religions, communities, races towards all matters, incidents and happenings. All good sensible humans do know cruelty, injustice but alas most people change their perception when they came to know who committed and against whom committed.

I believe that a kind hearted Jew is surely better than a wicked, cruel of any other community and similarly of any other community better than a Jew if cruel.

Do you know that Muslims are not allowed any change of religious beliefs and if any one does so must be beheaded as per Muslim religious laws?

Blessings,
Akbar.

[Thummim]

The GD's must make peace before their people do.

...akbar, every GD has his own rulebook. The rulebook that we read points to the GD that we obey. The GD of Moses has a Name that he invests in his people. This people build a temple for his Name, to honor it. Since the Name of the JEWish GD is found in the letters of the JEWish soul, {YaHudaH}, what then is a Moslem to YHWH? {GD's Name Ex. 3: 15} Is there any Name more hated by Moslems then the Name of YaHudaH? {"YaHudaH" --> "JudaH" --> JEW} Peace between these GD's of Islam and YaHudaH, requires that the curse against the Name of the GD of Moses ends. Do you understand that the rules of our GD's either vindicate us or condemn us? You want to find a neutral GD without a rulebook to dispute. But Moslems are not likely to submit to a GD that has a Name that they curse. Wouldn't it have been better, if the author of the koran had first checked out the name of Moses's Eloheem before using the Name of Moses, over 500 times in his book? Did you known that the dome of the rock is really a curse against the JEWish people? Joshua 24: 26 shows a stone being rolled under a tree called allah, near the holy place of the time, and upon this stone all the seed of Jacob swear to obey their GD. Now such a stone sits upon the Holy Mt upon which the eyes of YHWH are said to always focus. And Islam, by this stone curses the Name of YaHudaH. {read Zech. 3: 9 and Danial 2: 34, 35; Dan. 2: 44: 45} The stone awaits the Name of GD which all JEWs have forgotten. How does one forget that YaHudaH is the Name of GD and that this tribe was chosen to bear the Name of YHWH? {read Deut. 12: 5, Nu. 6: 27} You should see the chains that this GD whose Name is cursed by all islam, has wrapped around all Moslems. But that is another post. The JEWish people have a saying, "curse GD's Name and die". How does one get Moslems to stop cursing the Name of GD? A king shall be born to the house of Israel! I hope that his words will be honored by all Moslems. He can untie the Knot that keeps these brothers enemies.

....Michael

[akbar]

Dear thummim,

I think that the only difference between you and me is one.

Your God is essentially Judah or YaHoodaH while the God I believe is not bound to be called by these words. The God I and I think also you believe is Almighty, Protector, Merciful, Master, and Omnipresent and there are so many suitable words. Such synonymous words can be in all languages so I believe the God has not any necessary name or names to be called by. My God is Allah, YaHoodaH, Khuda (Persian), Bhagwan (Hindi) and many other names. I am aware of some other names but there can be many of which I am not aware.

I think that you and I have same and common human values and if you do not mind we have common faith if there is not one difference that I have mentioned above.
I am grieved and sad for innocent victims of cruelty no matter who the victims or cruel were.

Blessings,
Akbar.

[Thummim]

YHWH is distinct from the other gods.

akbar writes,

Your God is essentially Judah or YaHoodaH while the God I believe is not bound to be called by these words.

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...The way that I see it akbar, is that it is easier to be attached to a Name, and too attach oneself to it, then to become a part of a god who is an object or a thing. Idols and object gods are at first refused. Having a family name to belong to is essentually how the world works. We all have names that we belong to. The "GD is all gods" approach comes without justice, if there is no single law to follow. The gods hate each other. Each god has his own name and house rules. Dumping them all together always costs human lives. Men have a tendency to obey their gods. They will do all that a corrupt god asks, to cash in on what a god has to offer. "Protection is the racket of most of the gods. Eternal life is also a racket of the gods, that men {and women} will lay out good cash for. But a GD with a law immovable, to heal the ways of mankind, has to be above all these other gods. YHWH is a GD of law. He protects his Name. Those who have a part in the Name of YHWH, must keep Hashem, "the Name", pure. That which is foreign to the ways of Hashem are not allowed to be"connected" to the name. Those who follow the Name of this GD, "YHWH", do not want all people of the world to belong to it. If you fill a Name with the people of the world, you will have a name that is as the world is. This however cannot be allowed. No healing of the worlds "ways" would be allowed in this approach. YHWH would soon be "god is all gods" in his nature. YHWH keeps his laws {his ways} in the forefront of his faith. The house rules are never waved. YHWH cannot allow his Name to become other than what it already is. That YHWH {mistranslated "the LORD"] is the GD of all the earth, I do not doubt. But that everyone should live in his house, I resist. YHWH is allowed to have his own people and his own family Name. Those who come into his house must use the front door, or they will be taken for thieves.

....Michael