Do little children sin?

[Jennifer]

Originally posted by Jennifer
That idea did cross my mind. Then like I always do I start thinking deeper. It says Ancient of days. God always was and will always be, days can't number Him. So how can He be Ancient of days when days don't exist for God.

Does anyone have an answer for that?

[lukewarm]

ancient of days

maybe because days were created by him.

Do little children sin??

how do you feel about infant baptisms?

[Jennifer]

Re: ancient of days

Originally posted by lukewarm
maybe because days were created by him.

Do little children sin??

how do you feel about infant baptisms?

Baptism is for the remission of sins, I believe infants are inocent they have no sins therefore do not need to be baptized.

[Matthew23]

I believe children are born with the sin that was passed on to us through Adam. We are not born innocent.

But God's grace is a wonderful thing.

matt

[Jennifer]

So are we responsible for our parents sins?

Here is another question what is the difference between a sin and a transgression?

[Valid Name]

Original Sin

Greetings Matthew!

I am curious what the foundation is for believing in Original sin the way that you do. What scripture is there for believing that we are not born innocent?

Peace,
Valid Name

[lukewarm]

logically thinking

im probably going to have a lot of posts with this subject heading.

sorry matthew but i think jen just makes more sense to me right now.
maybe you can explain youre viewpoint moreso.
you think that babies have to be baptized for their sins?
or maybe babies have sins passed in this way you descibe but dont have to be baptized for them?

jen, i think children can sin, like steal or lie, but that in order for it to be a judgable sin they would have to know it was wrong. it makes sense to me tat the whole grace period(grace period?) is to make sure that they know right from wrong.

[Valid Name]

Grrr. . . .

Luke -

I'm about to excersize my Administrative rights and Edit your post!

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I WILL NOT play you in foozball this weekend. However after service this weekend feel free to come over and beat your brother. We'll be meeting sometime before six at my place.

Valid Name

[Jennifer]

Re: logically thinking

Originally posted by lukewarm

jen, i think children can sin, like steal or lie, but that in order for it to be a judgable sin they would have to know it was wrong. it makes sense to me tat the whole grace period(grace period?) is to make sure that they know right from wrong. [/B]

Luke, I agree with that it cannot be a sin unless a child knows right from wrong. They must be taught some way, the only way is by there parents. A sin is the willful breaking of religious or moral law, you cannot willfully break something if you don't know it's a law.

[Matthew23]

Hi Gang!

Romans 5:12-21
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now, don't get me wrong: I don't believe in baptising little babies, but we are all born with "the curse". Just visit a cemetery and you'll notice a few tombstones here and there that have ONE DATE- the date of birth and the date of death is the same. Now, if the "wages of sin is death", then how can someone die on the day they are born unless they are covered in sin?

Grace to you,
matt

[Valid Name]

Sin is Transgression of the Torah

Greetings Matthew!

If everyone had original sin to begin with, why did The Father create the law? Romans 5 says that the Law entered so that Adam's transgression would increase - Ie, we would transgress JUST as he did.

Do you follow what I am saying?

Peace,
Valid Name

[Matthew23]

HUH?

Originally posted by Valid Name
Do you follow what I am saying?

Nope.

[Valid Name]

LoL

Greetings Matthew!

If We were all guilty of Adam's sin, we would be easily convicted of it. However Romans 5 says that The Law entered so that the Transgression would INCREASE. The Law entered so that we would be convicted by it. If we were already convicted, what point would there be to the law?

Peace,
Valid Name

[Matthew23]

I'll have to think about this for a while...

matt

[Matthew23]

Okay, here goes:

Without the Law, we would not know what righteousness is. The point of the Law is to show us how unrighteous we are ("the increase of the trespass") and we now realize what a great gift we have been given ("the increase of grace").

Those who died from Adam to Moses were not convicted because they didn't know the law. The law was not taken into account, yet all those people died because of sin. If their own sins were not accounted for, then for what sin did they die?

Paul says they died by the trespass (sin) of Adam (the "one man").

This, my friends, is the foundation for believing the way I do.

with love,
matt