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**hyssop** · 03-22-2002, 07:56 PM

What's a Tzaddik (tzah-deek')?

Welcome, Matt

The word Tzaddik is Hebrew. It is in the Strong's Concordance as Hebrew word #6662 (are you familiar w/ Strong's?). It is translated in the King James Bible as "just," "lawful," and "righteous (man)."

I believe that the most well-known verse which uses Tzaddik is Habakkuk 2:4 ". . . the just (Heb. tzaddik) shall live by his faith." This verse is quoted in the New Testament in Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11, and Heb 10:38.

The Jews consider the Tzaddikim (plural of Tzaddik) very Jewish. There is quite a bit of information that can be found on the Jewish views of the Tzaddikim.

We consider those that trully believe in Yeshua as their Messiah to be the real Tzaddikim (those who will live by their faith).

Hope this helps . . . and, again, welcome to the forum
hyssop

**Matthew23** · 03-22-2002, 11:24 PM

thanks for the reply

Interesting...
I am somewhat familiar with the Strong's Concordance. It is on my pc study bible (great tool). I also wonder, why do most of the people here refer to Jesus/God/the Father using the hebrew terms?

Matt

**hyssop** · 03-23-2002, 04:19 AM

Yahweh / Yeshua

There are some who are offended by the words "G-d" and "J-sus." They say that these secular names can be traced back to pagan dieties, and they don't want to use them. They believe that the Creator's sacred name is Yahweh (Yah for short) and that His son's name while on earth was not "J-sus" but, rather, Yeshua or Yahshua. They also believe that the use of the secular names constitute taking Yah's name in vain, thus breaking the third commandment.

Many Jews will not use the secular OR the sacred name for the Creator but, rather, use the name Hashem, which literally translated from the Hebrew means "The Name."

I try to avoid using the secular names on the board, so as not to offend. I do not, however, observe the sacred names apart from posting (not at this time, anyway).

hyssop

**Matthew23** · 03-26-2002, 10:07 AM

Re: Yahweh / Yeshua

Originally posted by hyssop
There are some who are offended by the words "G-d" and "J-sus."

I thought they were just simply English translations.

Matt

**hyssop** · 03-26-2002, 06:36 PM

As did I . . . I've really not checked out the sources for these names. However, I know of no resemblance to the transliteration of any Hebrew names (with the exception of Gad, which I am not aware is used as a name for the Creator), so . . .

**simchat_torah** · 10-21-2002, 08:59 PM

Shalom Mishpochah (family),

"My people shall know my name..."

This statement from scripture has caused me many hours of internal contemplation. The name of HaShem is a great mystery for many reasons to us today. Ironically, many claim to know precisely what His name truly is. I see that a few have commented in this thread about the origins of Jehovah and YHVH, and I'd like to share a few more insights.

It is true that YHVH represents the name of G-d, but I'd like to explain why. In Hebrew the four letters of the name of G-d, the Tetragramatron, are: Yud Hey Vav Hey

I suppose in English the most literal transliteration would be Yahveh. However, the "Yud Hey Vav Hey" is missing vowel points in the every writing we have, including scripture. Thus the true pronounciation is lost.

One has pointed out clearly that the letter "J" is a more modern invention, only being a few hundred years old starting with the Germanic language. So, thus far we could say that Yehovah would be more accurate. However, to go a bit deeper, "Jehovah" as a word is comprised of: "Yud Hey Vav Hey" with the vowel points of Adonai insterted into it. This makes "YHVH" more pronounceable. When you mix the vowel points of Adonai with the four consonants of YHVH you end up with Yehovah. Consequently Jehovah is a fake word.

And since the "J" is a mistransliteration we have a fake word that is mistranslated and mistransliterated. Did you catch that? A fake word mistransliterated and mistranslated. So, if someone is from the "camp" of say... Jehovah's Witnesses, where they claim that "Jehovah" is the one true name of HaShem, you may stand on firm ground disagreeing.

As far back in history as we can reach, Yud Hey Vav Hey is the most accurate association of G-d's name, spelled YHVH or pronounced Yahveh.

However, I personally only produced the letters and pronunciation of the Tetragramatron for teaching purposes, and I would encourage all to not use His name lightly. I would never ask any to adhere to my personal level of observance (I only use the tetragramatron when speaking directly to HaShem... ie prayer... or in teaching... as done here) but I would however encourage all to honor His holy name and to use His name with respect and with reverence.

Now a quick mention about the name of J-sus. There are many attempts in christianity to prove that "J e s u s" is the true name of the Messiah, but as clearly pointed out, "J", as a letter, is a modern invention. This fact alone would prove otherwise. Yet there may be more at stake than is realized. There is great scholarly work today that shows that Y'shua spoke Aramaic, and most likely that the Brit Chadasha (new test.) was for the most part written in Arimaic and Hebrew (at least Matthew is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have it's original penned in Hebrew). When the name "ieesous" is examed in greek (pronounced I-ee-zues) it is found to be a combination of two words. Iee being "healing" and Zues being a pagan diety (the king of the g-ds in Greek mythology). It is thought that this combination was created to be either more appealing to the pagans, or to give a teaching (that Y'shua was the healing king of the g-ds), or even possibly more malicious intentions are the inspiration of IeeZues. We may never know. However, it is also clear that when transliterating (different from translating) from Y'shua in Aramaic (or Yehoshua in Hebrew) to Ieezoos in Greek, it is a mistransliteration. We can only propose various theories as to why this "mistransliteration" was used. Some scholars assume it is because, again, of the pagan diety tie in order to make Y'shua more attractive to potential converts.

In any case, I personally, again this is a personal conviction that I would never impose upon others, will refrain from using "j e s u s" because of it's pagan ties. I will rather use Y'shua (yeshua) which is Aramaic, or Yehoshua, which is Hebrew, as Y'shua spoke Aramaic as his natural tongue and had to have spoken Hebrew if he was to have read the scrolls in the synagouges. He would have called himself Yeshua, and others would have recongnized him as Yeshua. Again, as a personal conviction I will use his real name Yeshua as opposed to the other paganized version.

please do not be offended.

I will not be offended by any who choose to use the other name, and I want to make it [b]OVERLY abundantly[b] clear that this is a personal conviction.

Shalom to All!!!

Japheth.

**hyssop** · 10-24-2002, 07:36 PM

The Name of YHWH

Yafet,

Is it not a Jewish belief (somewhere) that the actual name of YHWH is a very long name: "B'reshit barah elohim . . . l'eyney kol yisrael" --- the entire Torah, from beginning to end?

**simchat_torah** · 10-24-2002, 09:19 PM

There is an ancient rabbinical passage that does imply that, however, the more accepted view in most Judiac circles is that the precise name of G-d is an ineffable name consisting of 172 letters (all consonants) and is supposed to be spoken by the Kohen HaGodal (high preist) once a year during the Atonement sacrafice. There are even passages in the Talmud that speak of Y'shua when he was younger. The story goes that he was just outside of the temple when the high priest made the sacrafice, and he listened through a crack in the temple wall to hear the one true name of G-d being spoken. This is the excuse given as to how he was able to produce all of the miracles acclaimed to him... quite a story, eh? lol, the stretches some people will make when no other explanation seems logical (or swallowable?).

There is a popular movement today to re-establish the Temple, yet one element is missing. What name to utter by the High priest when the sacrafice is given? The ineffable name is yet to be either decided upon, or yet... hmmmm.....

Shalom Hyssop,
Yafet.

**Thummim** · 10-27-2002, 06:55 PM

Hashem's holy garment.

...As to whatever the name of YHWH is, he who is surrounded by the Shekina {the dark clouds} must know what the answer really is. But would we except his teaching if we could not see those clouds ourselves? Is Shekina something that everybody sees when they themselves invoke the name of YHWH? Or must one be {separated and made holy} to invoke Hashem and the dark clouds that the priests knew? Were the clouds that the people followed through the desert, the same clouds that the priests served at the temple built for the name of YHWH? Do the clouds of the Shekina only appear in the name of YHWH? Can they appear in any other name? I think that those who have concluded that there are 172 letters to the name of YHWH, have never seen the Shekina. Ditto, those who wrote the talmud. The Shekina is a testimony of the truth. They {the dark clouds} are the glory of the name of YHWH and the "praise" that surrounds GD's presence. These are some of the things that a person who seeks out understanding of the name of YHWH, should think upon. "Praise Yah".

....Michael

**hyssop** · 10-27-2002, 10:23 PM

Hashem

Yafet,

There may be some scriptural basis for the belief that YHWH's name is "B'reshit barah elohim . . . l'eyney kol yisrael" --- the entire Torah, from Genesis through Deuteronomy:<BLOCKQUOTE>Deut 32 KJV<HR>[1] Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. [2] My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: [3] Because I will publish the name of the L-RD: ascribe ye greatness unto our G-d.<HR></blockquote>Moses said that he would proclaim the name of the L-rd. What, exactly, did Moses proclaim? The Torah.<BLOCKQUOTE>Jer 23:6 KJV<HR>In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE L-RD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.<HR></blockquote>What is righteousness?<BLOCKQUOTE>Ps 119:172 KJV<HR>My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.<HR></blockquote>The Torah is righteousness.<BLOCKQUOTE>Micah 4:5 KJV<HR>For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the L-RD our G-d for ever and ever.<HR></blockquote>How does one walk in the name of YHWH, Eloheynu?<BLOCKQUOTE>Exodus 18:20 KJV<HR>And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt show them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.<HR></blockquote>One must walk the way of Torah.

**Thummim** · 10-28-2002, 01:24 PM

Built upon a name.

...Hyssop, one can walk in the name of YHWH by walking in the name of YaHudaH. I just covered this material on Lo-ammi with Scarlet. Many people think that they are in YHWH's will. {his word} But these same people can also assault his name. His name is higher and conveys his will. His words are written by the hands of man {his image?} But it is Hashem that gives his authority to these writers, to convey his will with authority. To me, Hashem is the foundation that all his will {words?} rests upon. It is the underlying idea {Hashem} that separates the tanakh from all other books said to be his words of GD, including the koran, etc.

....Michael

**hyssop** · 10-29-2002, 01:03 AM

The Physical Name

Thummim,

I am not planning to get into an in-depth discussion on this topic, but I am puzzled. Are you saying that one of the physical names, YHWH or YHWDH, is higher than Torah? Let us assume for a moment that YHWH is indeed the correct form of the creator's name, and . . . (big assumption) . . . that we know that "Yahweh" is its correct pronunciation. If I understand you correctly, you claim that these four letters or these two syllables are higher than Torah . . . because "words [Torah] are written by the hands of man {his image?}"

And, what is YHWH, but four letters written by the hands of man? Further, what is "yahweh," but two syllables produced by the mouth of man? It is a single physical word. The Torah is thousands of physical words.

However, the Torah's words have spiritual lessons to teach--particularly, the spirit of the Torah teaches us about YHWH's essence, His innermost being. For some, it also teaches YHWH's plan for man. To me, this is infinitely higher than four (or five) physical letters . . . two physical syllables.

**Thummim** · 10-29-2002, 12:00 PM

The bank of Hashem.

...Hyssop, say you go into a bank to make a withdraw from your account and the teller asks for your signature, what do you do? Why does he ask for your signature? You can discuss with him a million things from your head. Your words are significant. But until you give the teller your signature, what is yours you cannot have. You remain cashless because you will not sign on the dotted line. The name transfers authority.

...This is the bank rule for getting cash.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27

...And this is the teller refusing to give you what is yours.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith YHWH of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Mal. 2: 2

...and the teller curses you and witholds your blessing.

...Now why do you suppose that YHWH has a name of his own? Why is its significance begun to be shown in the first chapter of Genesis with corrupting the fourth day? Why does the author want to have the heavens testify of the glory of YHWH's name?

--> It must be important to the author.

O YHWH Adonai, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Ps. 8: 1

...David himself gains his authority through the name of YHWH.

24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. Ps. 89: 24

...And what name is chosen? Where does YHWH "put" his name?

5 But unto the place which YHWH Elohenu shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut. 12: 5

...Which tribe belongs to David?

36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. I Kings 11: 36

...And again, the teller asks for you to give him some authority to give you what is yours.

67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:

68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

69 And he built his sanctuary {for Hashem} like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Ps. 78: 67 - 69

...The bank of YaHudaH is open, in which name can you make a withdraw?

...Hyssop, the text of the tanakh is all very well thought out. When you learn to see Hashem, you think different. Now imagine what happens when someone not you, comes into the bank to make a withdraw from your account. Without your name, he will do no better than you. It is about authority and its transfer. YHWH has a name for a reason, just as you and me do. Honor it by conceding it authority.

....Michael

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