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  • Shame Sex Marriage!

    Hi Everyone,

    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Recently, my Brother, ImAHebrew, coined a phrase on another forum, namely:

    "Shame sex marriage"

    His phrase was deleted on that forum.

    There is no doubt in my mind that homosexual activity is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments, and there is no doubt in my mind that such practice is sin. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

    The practice of homosexuality has been gaining acceptance for many religious folks in many Christian denominations.

    My objection to the practice of homosexuality is based upon what I have come to learn about LIFE NOW! And my objection is also based upon the fact the I am a citizen of the United States of America where I am guaranteed the freedom to hold and express my religious beliefs and to live my life according to them.

    Accordingly, why should I be forced to support same sex marriage through the social security tax on my income that will be given to the survivors of same sex marriage once same sex marriage is fully recognized by the United States Government.

    Male and female, husbands and wives, have the rights of survivorship benefits based upon their marriage. Why should practicing homosexuals have those same rights? Why should my tax dollars go to support the survivor of a Shame Sex Marriage?
    Thanking any in advance should anyone be moved to reply, I am,

    Sincerely, Latuwr

  • #2
    Abortion On Demand And Shame Sex Marriage!

    Hi Everyone,
    Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

    Shame Sex Marriage is now the Law of the Land, that is, the United States of America. I am a citizen of the State of Missouri in the United States of America, and I also possess citizenship in the Promised Land, that is, My Messiah Yahushua who became a man in order to gather into ONE all the incarnate souls of the ELOHIM. These spirits all had a preexistence ages before the creation of man which is recorded in Genesis. Man was created so that these incarnate souls could eventually be made manifest as the Sons of ELOHIM.

    Please follow this link which will take you to a post that gives you some indication of the true purpose of man:

    I ask who is it that would inspire men and women to make laws which would make it difficult for the ELECT of Messiah to become incarnate and be manifested as the Sons and Daughters of the ELOHIM? HaSatan and his demons hate our incarnation, and they are committed to promoting anything that will hinder the Holy People of ELOHIM from being born into this world. This is why abortion on demand was made legal in the United States, and it is also why Shame Sex Marriage is now the Law of the United States of America.
    Methinks that it is high time that the Law of YAHWEH ELOHIM be exalted in our Land. As it is written:

    Psalms 119:126
    126 It is time for YAHWEH to work: for they have made void thy law.

    Consider these words:

    John 4:34
    34 Yahushua saith unto them, My food is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

    Is abortion on demand and the practice of homosexuality any part of the work of YAHWEH?
    Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
    Sincerely, Latuwr


    • #3
      The Reason For Sexual Purity!

      Hi Everyone,
      Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

      I had no idea that the tragedy in Taiwan was a gay pride event. Unless an individual repents of sin and begins to engage in both physical and spiritual righteousness, there exists no way of escaping physical death. The Law requires the physical death of the sinner, and some sins are more grievous than others. The Apostle John refers to a particular grievous sin as being a sin unto death. I take this sin to be a sin against the Holy Spirit, and the physical practice of homosexuality does not fall into that category.

      The primary reason the ELOHIM made commandments governing human sexual relationships was the ultimate incarnation of THEMSELVES as mere mortals. Their SPIRITS were divided in half when Adam and Eve were physically separated after their creation, and THEIR ultimate incarnation required a distinct line of family descent in which the ELOHIM were behind the scenes always guarding and keeping track of both halves of the SPIRITS of the ELOHIM always according to a physical line of descent.

      I am not very good at math or numbers, but imagine how difficult it would be for the ELOHIM to place THEMSELVES in the right circumstance and time and place without first establishing marriage and faithfulness in marriage. Imagine, if humans were like dogs and other animals, how difficult it would be for the ELOHIM to track THEIR own existence and bring THEIR two halves back together again in human conception. This is why the statutes against sexual immorality were made for humans and why sexual purity is commanded by the Law of ELOHIM.

      HaSatan knows the truth of what I have just related, and it is why he promotes immorality in sexual relationships. The practice of homosexuality is wholly fruitless. Children cannot be born into the world through its practice. The practice of homosexuality arrogantly voids the commandment of the ELOHIM that men and women must be fruitful and multiply along the rules established by the ELOHIM. Their evil practice is a parade against what the ELOHIM have ordained for THEMSELVES. Needless to say, it is not good to parade against what YAHWEH ELOHIM has commanded.

      Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
      Sincerely, Latuwr


      • #4
        The Prayer Of The Upright!

        Hi Everyone,
        Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

        I have a slightly different perspective from the one offered on "the Elijah List":

        It is wise to consider all the sayings of Solomon before offering advice on any one of them. Solomon also says this:

        Proverbs 28:9
        9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

        Many in historical, traditional Christianity site the Law to condemn the practice of homosexuality; yet, there exist many things in the Law which Christianity ignores or refuses to hear so why should YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah elevate the prayer of one sinner over another? Consider this saying:

        Proverbs 15:8
        8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to YAHWEH: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

        Christianity understands that My Messiah Yahushua was sacrificed, and, indeed, Christianity has many ideas concerning the meaning of that sacrifice which they do appropriate for themselves. Can we ask: Are they then the upright or the wicked? Here is a bottom line statement concerning the Just:

        Romans 2:13
        13 For not the hearers of the law are just before ELOHIM, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

        Do the above words find acceptance in traditional Christianity? If not, then it becomes evident why their prayers are not the delight of YAHWEH Yahushua Messiah.

        Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
        Sincerely, Latuwr


        • #5
          The Pathway of LIFE!

          Hi Everyone,
          Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
          Shabbat Shalom!

          While the command for men and women to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28) lies outside of what the Apostle Paul considered to be the Law (see Galatians 3:17), I accept the above commandment to be a work of the Law because in my thinking anything commanded by YAHWEH ELOHIM is Law. Whenever anyone fulfills a command of YAHWEH, they have completed or accomplished a work of the Law, and whenever anyone completes a work of the Law, one has obtained righteousness thereby.

          The problem with works of the Law is that they must be considered as a whole should anyone attempt to obtain life in the flesh by doing them:

          Leviticus 18:5
          5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am YAHWEH.

          Consider also the voice of YAHWEH through Ezekiel:

          Ezekiel 18:20-23
          20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
          21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
          22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
          23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith ADONAI YAHWEH: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

          In your own personal belief or faith, do you yourself understand that people, barring physical death by violence, will grow old and eventually get sick and physically die, as a result of their sin? What is it then that we should tell the sinner? Shall we tell the sinner that he or she may continue in their sin and live? Absolutely not!

          Here is what the Law says about the practice of homosexuality amongst men:

          Leviticus 18:22
          22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

          To not lie with a man as with a woman is a work of the Law. Does your own personal faith allow you to throw away the righteousness of the above work of the Law by informing the practicing homosexual that they can have life without repentance from their sin through their faith in Messiah Yahushua? Is that what your faith says?

          Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
          Sincerely, Latuwr

          Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.


          • #6
            Practicing Homosexuals!

            Hi Everyone,

            Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

            The practice of homosexuality leads to death. If you are are a practicing homosexual, you will die in your sins because you have transgressed a number of commandments of YAHWEH. Should you desire to live and not die, it simply is up to you. Will you repent of your practice, or will you physically die as a payment for your sin? What say you, practicing homosexuals, what is your expectation concerning living and not dying? How do you hope to physically live without obeying YAHWEH?

            Thanking practicing homosexuals in advance should any be moved to reply, I am,

            Sincerely, Latuwr


            • #7
              Question about your understanding.

              First, not homosexual, and I agree the law does say homosexual actions are sins.

              In an earlier post, you take the be fruitful and multiply as a commandment of Law. I have to disagree with that. It is a command, but Law generally has consequences, and this command doesn't. So I don't personally see it as Law.

              Also, how do you reconcile this with Yeshua's teaching in Mathew 19:8-12.

              8) Jesus replied, “Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended. 9) And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery—unless his wife has been unfaithful.d”

              10) Jesus’ disciples then said to him, “If this is the case, it is better not to marry!”

              11) “Not everyone can accept this statement,” Jesus said. “Only those whom God helps. 12) Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some choose not to marrye for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

              This doesn't seem to support that as a Law.

              May Yeshua be with You.


              • #8
                The Physical Fulfillment Must Always Defer To The Spiritual Fulfillment!

                Hi William,
                Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

                I am curious, is this the same William with whom I engaged in a discussion a number of years ago on Lo Ammi Forum concerning divorce and remarriage?

                I agree that the command to both men and women to be fruitful and multiply does precede the giving of the Law; even so, observant Jews do consider this mizwah to be a blessing incumbent upon themselves to fulfill.

                The whole story of Tamar and the Sons of Judah shows the seriousness with which YAHWEH does take the issue of having children even if we learn this lesson through the custom of levirate marriage. This story is also prior to the giving of the Law.

                If a penalty of death exists for those who refuse to raise up offspring for a dead brother, what penalty do you think must exist for the man who refuses to marry and raise up offspring for himself?

                Do you not agree that the physical Law takes a back seat to the spiritual fulfillment of the Law? In other words, whenever there is conflict between the two, the spiritual fulfillment of the Law always has the right of way. The Law prohibits castration (see Leviticus 22:24); yet, according to Messiah Yahushua castration is permissible for the sake of Heaven. This shows that the spiritual fulfillment of the Law has precedence over the physical.

                Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
                Sincerely, Latuwr


                • #9
                  This is a letter I recently sent to a retired minister I know.

                  Shabbat Shalom Doug, I have been ruminating about some of what we discussed on Thursday. You presented that Sodom's sin was, "inhospitality." I have encountered that argument before, and have done due diligence to determine it is coming from a "spirit" of deception. Here is an article from the HuffPost that is written by Rev. Patrick S. Cheng, Ph.D. which gives every possibility one could muster to try to say Sodom's sin was, in the way he puts it, "radical inhospitality." He tried to explain that the Hebrew word "yada," would be better translated "to rape," or "to molest," and even notices it was used several verses later where Lot offers his two virgin daughters. But what he didn't address is the fact that IF it was a matter of "rape" or "molesting," the daughters would have worked just fine to appease the mob. You see, Lot said in addressing what ALL the men wanted to do to his two guests, "do not do this wickedness....please take my two virgin daughters, for they have never 'yada' a man." So on one hand, Dr. Cheng tries to make it look like "rape," but then on the other shows it to mean "having sex." You can't use "yada" both ways within two verses of each other.

                  The other main point that he doesn't address is that the sin of Sodom was "exceedingly great," or "very grievous," and their sin was being done prior to the visit of Lot's guests:

                  Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before Yahweh exceedingly.

                  Gen 18:20 And Yahweh said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

                  It appears the Apostle Peter agrees their sin was "exceedingly" great, and "very grievous," and mentions nothing about "inhospitality" as he describes the sin of Sodom and Gomorrha as "filthy" (G-766 "unbridled lust, lasciviousness, wantonness"):

                  2Pet 2:6 - 2:8

                  6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
                  7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy (G-766) behavior of the wicked:
                  8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds)

                  Peter tells us that the men of Sodom lived (day to day) with UNGODLY and FILTHY behavior, in their UNLAWFUL deeds. For the Law of Elohim prohibits men having sex with men (it is an unlawful deed):

                  Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

                  Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

                  It's like a "strange" act, men having sex with men, and this type of fornication is spoken of by Jude also, and he doesn't mention anything about "inhospitality" either:

                  Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

                  This "unnatural" or "going after strange flesh" is also witnessed to by Paul:

                  Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

                  The "exceedingly" or "very grevious" sin of Sodom (H5467 - burning) was the BURNING of LUST for men having sex with men, and had NOTHING to do with "inhospitality." Now, IF they had stayed in the closet, and not paraded their sin OPENLY, becoming PRIDEFUL with their sin, then maybe Elohim would not have destroyed them. Isaiah speaks of how Judah had FOLLOWED after Sodom in "declaring" their sin, and not trying to hide it:

                  Isa 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it] not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

                  This is exactly what is going on today with the prideful "spirit" of deception which tries to declare the sin of Sodom as something that it is not. Doug, I want our relationship to grow and following after this "spirit" of allowing open, prideful, and declared homosexuality is NOT going to further it, but rather hinder it. All we have to do and that which is required of us, is to declare openly that it is not right, and WARN, then WE will not be judged (Ezek 33:3-6). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

                  P.S. I have a niece who is an open lesbian and I love her. She is a nurse and helped tremendously with my parents (before they died), and her mother (my sister), and she KNOWS I do not approve of her lifestyle, but she also knows that I do love her and am thankful for her. I also had a nephew who died of AIDS back when AIDS was FIRST a disease that only hit the male homosexual community in the USA. He was very promiscuous in having sex with men, and I tried to reason with him as to why he was going through his suffering. He died completely blind, with a horrendous death, and I have spent a great deal of time investigating the cause of AIDS. We should discuss that sometime.