Forgiveness of Sin

[ROVIVRUS]

Matthew23,

Thats Funny!

I guess I thought everyone had figured out my name by now. I know they did over at Lo Ammi. But I have not written here before until just the other day.

Who are you? I mean, are you one of Valid's friends? Or one of Hyssop's sons' friends? Not sure if I know you or not.

I am Spying's daughter, incase you didn't know.

Peace,
Rovivrus2

[Thummim]

Oops! Has the sun been created on the wrong day?

Valad Name writes;

ps...what does the literaly refer to? Hashem I don't understand the full significance to.

...In order for seasons to exist, or fruit to grow, the sun must exist. But the fruit trees brought forth their fruit before the sun was created. We have an account of a corrupt sun that "mimics" the name of YHWH, the fourth day, like the fourth letter in the name of YaHudaH, to be removed. YHWH's glory is his name of praise. That is what YaHudaH means.

And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon, Deut. 33: 14

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {being released from it} Mal. 4: 2

...Show me that the messiah has to die. I think it is easier to give him a long life by the texts of the tanakh. It may help you to understand Hashem as a linked name, to read some of another thread that exists at Lo-ammi. It is on the righteousness of the JEWish people, and when redemption came to them.

http://www.lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=2876#post2876

....Michael

[Matthew23]

Rovivrus,
I am a 29 (soon to be thirty) year old kid who has a wife and two kids of my own. I live in St. Peters, MO. I am a Christian who likes to talk about the bible. My friend, whom I have never met, Searching, invited me to this message board after we had talked some at the LDS forum.

[Valid Name]

Salvation

Greetings Thummim,

Sorry for the late reply. It may happen this way sometimes.

You have asked me to show you where it is written that Messiah must die. I know you have been through a bit of Numbers 19 with Spying, however I am not sure how much.

I understand as well that you do not accept Messiah (Jesus) as the Passover Lamb. Well that's part of where it is written. I am sure that there are other places as well, however I am not as learned as many are that are out there.

In this however, I know that you don't accept 'spiritual interpretation'.

In the eyes of the Tzaddikim, in Numbers 19, when the Living Water is added to the ashes of the red heifer, we see that it calls for Messiah to be risen from the dead, as Paul spoke of the Third Day ressurection accroding to the Old Testement (1 Corinthians 15:1-5).

I know that you do not accept this answer. I do for the reason that it is line with the timing of the scriptures. If I had not seen the 'Third Day death, burial and ressurection' as written in Numbers 19, why would I believe? Well okay, I see alot of the 'twist' that is done to the Law by 'christians' in the New Testement. Which gives me eyes to see the mystery and power of the Father (even if it is less than a spoonful).

[Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Yet in this Numbers 19, Messiah very convincingly seems to do each jot and tittle that is mentioned in it. From the Ceder to the Last Day (sabbath) when he sprinkles on those who will enter the camp.

If he did not die according to the scriptures, it might look a little like this:

3 Nephi 8[5] And it came to pass in the thirty and fourth year, in the first month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm, such an one as never had been known in all the land.

This is a passage from the Book of Mormon, written by 'Jews', who have seemingly forgotten the Law of the Father. This passage is talking about the day of the Death of Messiah, which was really the day of the Passover lamb (14th...as if you didn't know), yet Joseph Smith not knowing the Law, wrote down the wrong date. The Latter Day Saints stopped talking to me after I showed them that one .

So the 'spiritual interpretation' isn't going to work with you. So...

I find it strange that you see YHWY as the Sun. Do you see this in the attributes of him in the physical sun? What makes YHWY the sun that you could spiritually glean from the physical world?

Enough for now...

Peace.

Sincerely,
Valid Name

[Thummim]

Hashem

Valad Name writes;

I find it strange that you see YHWH as the Sun. Do you see this in the attributes of him in the physical sun? What makes YHWY the sun that you could spiritually glean from the physical world?

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...I do not see YHWH as the sun. The author has decided that the name of YHWH will be a little higher than the heavens. It is he who creates a corrupt sun. The fourth day of creation is synonomus with the fourth letter in the name of YHWH. In the name of GD, the fourth letter of the name, has already been removed.

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5 But unto the place which YHWH your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut. 12: 5


...Will YHWH choose to "put" his name in a tribe of Israel? The following verses of text show you that this is in fact the case.


4 Howbeit YHWH God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen YaHudaH to be the ruler; and of the house of YaHudaH, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel: I Chr. 28: 4


...(Yahudah = YHWDH, The name of GD = YHWH) How likely is it, that the letters in the name of GD and the letters in the name of Yahudah would match up, and in the same order?


67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:

68 But chose the tribe of YaHudaH, the mount Zion which he loved. Ps. 78: 67, 68


...He made a choice as to which tribe would "bear" his name. A partial name cannot exist unless a complete name exists first. "Yahudah", as a name, must pre-exist the name of GD. It must be the name of GD.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ps. 22: 22


35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise YHWH: therefore she called his name YaHudaH; and left bearing. Gen. 29: 35


7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. Ps. 47: 7


10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand {his name} is full of righteousness. Ps. 48: 10

1 O YHWH our Adonai, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. Ps. 8: 1, 2 {the "babes" are taught to praise YHWH, and his name is the vessel of his strength.}

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...Isaiah speaks of the fourth day of creation and its corrupt sun, in this way.

19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. Isa. 60: 19, 20

...The light of the first day {on which the light is separated from darkness also} is the light of GD. The fourth day is no longer being relied upon as the light of day, to those who "Praise GD" with understanding.

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...Joel writes of the corrupt sun in this way.


15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. Joel 3: 15

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30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of YHWH come. Joel 2: 30, 31

...The sun is not relied upon for light, as the name of "Praise" has been revealed as the name of YHWH. His people are delivered from their oppressors by this revelation. Can the oppressors of the name of YaHudaH, be saved at all?


7 Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped.

8 Our help is in the name of YHWH, who made heaven and earth. Ps. 124: 7, 8

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...Zechariah writes of the corrupt sun in this way.

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to YHWH, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light {instead of dark}. Zech. 14: 7

9 And YHWH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH, and his name one. Zech. 9: 14 {his name shall be revealed as "YaHudah", the now "one name" of GD.

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...Malachi writes of it in this way.


2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {released from it.}

...Malachi is telling us, that there is a corrupt sun that has something to do with GD's name. GD is not the sun. What is more than creation, is his name that is to rise upon his own people.

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1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of YHWH is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but YHWH shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Isa. 60: 1, 2

...Baruch Hashem,

....Michael

[Matthew23]

Valid Name (Searching is that you?),

Man, that thing about the book of Mormon that you posted totally ROCKS! I've never heard about that one before! Where did you find that out?

...praise the Name

[Valid Name]

Searching...Valid Name...Scarlet...WolF...

Greetings Matthew,

Yep, that'd be me.

I find that passage in the BoM a while ago while talking to the Latter Day Saint's Missionaries. I was skeptical of their use of Sunday, and why that day was chosen. There is a 'Three Days and Three Nights' contoversy that I was looking into, and decided to go to their Web Site to see what they had to say about it.

They butchered the Aurguement I was looking into by not giving the correct facts, but I ran across the 'facts' from the Book of Mormon. Orson Pratt claimed that the 'Nephites' were using a different calender, the MesoAmerican. Well, I don't buy it, and I'm glad you don't either.

I don't think many know of that one Matthew...most don't read the First Five books .

Peace,
Valid Name

[Matthew23]

a different calendar that just happened to be ten days off. I'm grinning and shaking my head in the "no" direction. Nice work, Valid.

Say, you're a hockey fan. Do you play fantasy hockey at all? If you do maybe we could get in a league together in the internet. Maybe on sandbox.com or something...???

Matt

[Valid Name]

Oh oh...

Greetings Matthew,

My friends tried to get me to join the their Fantasy Hockey League last year, but I declined. I was posting on the forums like crazy.

I may...let me know the details. Is it time consuming? As in, more than 15 minutes everyday? Days often disappear for me. Now and again a week will be missing a Monday or Tuesday. I don't know how it happens...it just does.

----emaN dilaV------

[Matthew23]

The online draft (which you don't actually have to be present for) usually takes about 3 hours. You can make your first 5 picks or so, then let the "system" finish for you if you don't want to take that much time. If you want to have a decent team though, I would recommend drafting all of your players yourself. Some people don't bother to draft at all, and they end up being the teams that get thumped.

You don't have to spend too much time keeping up with your team after the draft. It's good to know if you have injured players or not, so you can replace them with someone else. I like to check the box scores on the net when I'm not posting messages or checking email. So, I'd say 15 minutes a day would be plenty of time to keep up with your squad.

[Matthew23]

originally posted by Valid Name:
If he (Messiah) did not die according to the scriptures, it might look a little like this:
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3 Nephi 8[5] And it came to pass in the thirty and fourth year, in the first month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm, such an one as never had been known in all the land.
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This is a passage from the Book of Mormon, written by 'Jews', who have seemingly forgotten the Law of the Father. This passage is talking about the day of the Death of Messiah, which was really the day of the Passover lamb (14th...as if you didn't know)

Here's something you might find interesting...

"The importance of the Passover to the Jewish people cannot be overstated. Since the Nephites were supposed to be Isrealites who possessed the "five books of Moses" (1 Nephi 5:11), they should have celebrated the Passover almost six hundred times after they came to America. We would expect, therefore, to find a signifigant number of references to that festival in the Book of Mormon. A computer search for the words Passover and Passovers revealed that these words were used 77 times in the bible. In the Book of Mormon, however, these words are never used at all. It is absolutely astounding that a book purported to have been written by ancient Jewish people would never refer to the Passover... We noted that the words hyssop and lintel are not found in the Book of Mormon..."
--Jerald and Sandra Tanner, Joseph Smith's Plagiarism of the Bible.

I would recommend the above book that I've quoted to anyone interested in the Book of Mormon and its origins. I purchased the Book because of my own suspicion that the Book of Mormon was a product of plagiarism.